I just voted a straight ticket….. straight pro-life. What other vote is the for a Catholic?
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I contributed real $s to John Kerry’s campaign and to Senator Daschle’s campaign. And voted for both of them. May I submit that there may be another way of looking at this action beyond the one you posted.
During the eight years of the Reagan presidency, the number of legal abortions increased by more than 5 percent; during the eight years of the Clinton presidency, the numbers dropped by 36 percent. The overall abortion rate (calculated as the number of abortions per 1,000 women between the ages of 15 and 44) was more or less stable during the Reagan years, but during the Clinton presidency it dropped by 11 percent.
There are many reasons for this shift. Yet surely the traditional Democratic concern with the social safety net makes it easier for pregnant women to make responsible decisions and for young life to flourish; among the most economically disadvantaged, abortion rates have always been and remain the highest. The world’s lowest abortion rates are in Belgium and the Netherlands, where abortion is legal but where the welfare state is strong. Latin America, where almost all abortions are illegal, has one of the highest rates in the world.
Now this is not to argue that abortion should be acceptable. History will judge our society’s support of abortion in much the same way we view earlier generations’ support of torture and slavery — it weill be universally condemned. The moral condemantion of abortion, however, need not lead to the conclusion that criminal prosecution is the best way to limit the numberof abortions. Those who view abortion as the most significant issue in this campaign may well want to supplememt their abstract desire for moral rectitude with a more realistic focus on how best to ensure that fewer abortions take place.
In many ways, Catholic voters’ growing political independence has led to a profusion of moral dilemmas: they often feel they must abandon one good for the sake of another. But while they may be dismayed at John Kerry’s position on abortion and stem-cell research, they should be no less troubled by George W. Bush’s stance on the death penalty, health care, the environment and just war. Given the recent history of higher rates of abortion with Republicans in the White House, along with the tradition of Democratic support of equitable taxes and greater integration into the world community, more Catholics may want to reaffirm their tradition of allegiance to the Democratic Party in 2004.
With all due respect Fr. Garvey, I must disagree. I do not feel a moral dilemma of abandoning “one good for the sake of another”. Abortion and the environment or just war are not equal. Abortion is intrinsically evil. Mistreating the environment is not. I am very saddend that you would give money to either the Kerry or Daschle campaign. BTW, where do you get your statistics regarding the number of abortions performed during the Reagan and the Clinton years? Also, I don’t think abortion will be stopped by an improved economy. It’ll be stopped when all people understand in their hearts what is happening, that innocent babies are being viciously murdered, and nothing less.
Of course, Anne, abortion will be stopped “when all people understand in their hearts what is happening, that innocent babies are being viciously murdered, and nothing less.” (emphasis added) But until that understanding happens the slaughter is going on and on and on. Is it your desire to work only for total victory in this battle and let the killing continue until you have won that victory? I cringe (and cry) at the thought of all those innocent lives that must be sacrificed so you and those who think like you are able to congratulate yourselves on that victory no matter how bloody the carnage has to be in innocent lives to achieve it. I’m sorry, but that is just too bloodthirsty for me to agree to.
Of course, Anne, abortion will be stopped “when all people understand in their hearts what is happening, that innocent babies are being viciously murdered, and nothing less.” But until that understanding happens the slaughter is going on and on and on. Is it your desire to work only for total victory in this battle and let the killing continue until you have won that victory? I cringe (and cry) at the thought of all those innocent lives that must be sacrificed so you and those who think like you are able to congratulate yourselves on that victory no matter how bloody the carnage has to be in innocent lives to achieve it. I’m sorry, but that is just too bloodthirsty for me to agree to.
I never posted who I voted for. I just said I voted pro-life. You’re reading into it whom I voted for means that on some level you recognize your own position as not pro-life. If you truly did see it as pro-life then you wouldn’t suggest another action than the one I posted which was to vote prolife. If you felt your position was pro-life then you wouldn’t see a conflict.
I agree there are other positions. I just said there was only one for a Catholic which is to vote pro-life. The Holy Father and our Bishop have been very clear about Church teaching and what we must read to have an informed conscience on the matter.
I also agree that there is more we can do for the poor. I voted to repeal the sales tax on food. I also agree that doing more for the poor can decrease the number of abortions. I recommend to you Abortion and Divorce in Western Law by Mary Ann Glendon from Harvard. She makes the case very eloquently in there.
I am presuming that you agree that Abortion should be illegal completely; that aborition is the murder of an innocent life; and that no woman has the right to choose to murder her baby. I don’t believe that any social program will ever stop murder completely either of those in the womb or of adults or the elderly. But I believe Murder should be illegal. Do I think there need to be social programs? Yes of course. Church teaching is clear on that. But Christ said the poor will always be with us. That means, until his return, we will always need to do more. So I think we need to make all forms of murder illegal. That includes abortion. No one has the right to choose to kill another. We need to work for that in our legal system.
When faced between 1.4 million abortions a year and the loss of 1.4 million innocent lives a year I don’t think we can make the argument that we come anywhere close to that number even if you combine all the other issues you mentioned (environment, death penalty, just war, and health care). There is no way those issues come close to costing 1.4 million lives a year.
If, as you say, your goal is to stop the bloody carnage in innocent lives then I think you would want to do what would save the most lives the quickest and then work toward eliminating the other issues in order of the number of innocent lives lost.
In all of this I have used what you posted to form my response. I didn’t say who I voted for. I just said I voted the Catholic position which is pro-life.
John Kerry and Tom Daschle’s position is that a woman has the fundamental, constitutional right to choose to have an abortion. That leaves me with two questions for you.
Do you believe abortion is murder?
Do you believe a woman has a fundamental and consitutional right to choose to have an abortion?
Thanks for reading and for taking the time to express your concern for the economically disadvantaged.